lucas oil products

anybody use them? i use the fuel system cleaning product, but i see they have an additive for the trans and engine oil.

i also use the fuel system cleaner...best shit out there for that...

i've used the fuel system cleaner, works o.k. no complaints so i guess it's a good thing. never used any of their other stuff

This is the fuel additive I use: http://www.bndautomotive.com/page/page/931760.htm

I remember reading something that said if you use 93octane, you dont need no fuel additive or cleaner.

Shawn1112 wrote:

I remember reading something that said if you use 93octane, you dont need no fuel additive or cleaner.

I'd be interested in reading that because I don't believe it.

I remember seeing in the auto section of the suntimes I think. Didnt say I believed it, its just what I read.

eric, I saw ACES of CF. and have often wondered about it.

Have you figured out what a tank of gas costs you? you save like 20 cents per gallon using 89 octance plus the additional cost of the ACES, where do you stand after you figure oth out? do you break even?

that quantumblue coolant is what i plan on trying this coming spring.

http://www.lucasoilpolska.com/media/pdf/fuel_treatment/msds_fuel_treatment.pdf

Remember that any petroleum based additive is distilled out of crude oil. The most expensive materials that come from crude oil are Gasoline, Diesel Fuel, and Jet Kerosene.

If they could make the barrel of oil 100% Gasoline, Diesel Fuel, and Jet Kerosene, they would!

Therefore, you would not stop making 2.00-3.00 per gallon products to distill out a 50 cent per gallon product. However, if the distillate is not detrimental to the fuel blends, you will NEVER see it on the shelf!

If it is not good for Gasoline, Diesel Fuel or Kerosene, then any additive that contains petroleum distillates is really petroleum waste and should not be added to your fuel in your car.


FYI

Shawn1112 wrote:

I remember reading something that said if you use 93octane, you dont need no fuel additive or cleaner.

That's because they put additives into the 93 octane fuel. It has the fuel system conditioners in it. Never need additives as long as you run 93 from Shell, Mobil, and BP.

Illinois Chaos wrote:

Shawn1112 wrote:

I remember reading something that said if you use 93octane, you dont need no fuel additive or cleaner.

That's because they put additives into the 93 octane fuel. It has the fuel system conditioners in it. Never need additives as long as you run 93 from Shell, Mobil, and BP.

Actually in recent years, they have taken virtually all the sulfur out of the fuel (130 ppm down to about 30 ppm or less) which was the last bastion of any form of lubricity left in the fuel. Now with the advent of Ethyl Alcohol (Ethanol....which strips lubricity and absorbs moisture) the fuel system and related systems.....injectors, cylinder bores, stems and guides are open to corrosion, scoring, and premature wear.

Fuel alone can not stop the ensuing damage.

370 Hemi wrote:

http://www.lucasoilpolska.com/media/pdf/fuel_treatment/msds_fuel_treatment.pdf

Remember that any petroleum based additive is distilled out of crude oil. The most expensive materials that come from crude oil are Gasoline, Diesel Fuel, and Jet Kerosene.

If they could make the barrel of oil 100% Gasoline, Diesel Fuel, and Jet Kerosene, they would!

Therefore, you would not stop making 2.00-3.00 per gallon products to distill out a 50 cent per gallon product. However, if the distillate is not detrimental to the fuel blends, you will NEVER see it on the shelf!

If it is not good for Gasoline, Diesel Fuel or Kerosene, then any additive that contains petroleum distillates is really petroleum waste and should not be added to your fuel in your car.


FYI

370 Hemi wrote:

Illinois Chaos wrote:

Shawn1112 wrote:

I remember reading something that said if you use 93octane, you dont need no fuel additive or cleaner.

That's because they put additives into the 93 octane fuel. It has the fuel system conditioners in it. Never need additives as long as you run 93 from Shell, Mobil, and BP.

Actually in recent years, they have taken virtually all the sulfur out of the fuel (130 ppm down to about 30 ppm or less) which was the last bastion of any form of lubricity left in the fuel. Now with the advent of Ethyl Alcohol (Ethanol....which strips lubricity and absorbs moisture) the fuel system and related systems.....injectors, cylinder bores, stems and guides are open to corrosion, scoring, and premature wear.

Fuel alone can not stop the ensuing damage.

being that you seem to be pretty knowledgeable on the subject, what would be your recommendation and at what interval?

FYI:

370 Hemi (Brian) is a friend of mine from over at CF. He is a vendor and has a great line of products.

As a new member, he can't PM Matt, so I am going to relay Brian's information to Matt for him.

I'm hoping Brian spends some time here because you will all be impressed by his vast knowledge.

ghost wrote:

370 Hemi wrote:

http://www.lucasoilpolska.com/media/pdf/fuel_treatment/msds_fuel_treatment.pdf

Remember that any petroleum based additive is distilled out of crude oil. The most expensive materials that come from crude oil are Gasoline, Diesel Fuel, and Jet Kerosene.

If they could make the barrel of oil 100% Gasoline, Diesel Fuel, and Jet Kerosene, they would!

Therefore, you would not stop making 2.00-3.00 per gallon products to distill out a 50 cent per gallon product. However, if the distillate is not detrimental to the fuel blends, you will NEVER see it on the shelf!

If it is not good for Gasoline, Diesel Fuel or Kerosene, then any additive that contains petroleum distillates is really petroleum waste and should not be added to your fuel in your car.


FYI

370 Hemi wrote:

Illinois Chaos wrote:

Shawn1112 wrote:

I remember reading something that said if you use 93octane, you dont need no fuel additive or cleaner.

That's because they put additives into the 93 octane fuel. It has the fuel system conditioners in it. Never need additives as long as you run 93 from Shell, Mobil, and BP.

Actually in recent years, they have taken virtually all the sulfur out of the fuel (130 ppm down to about 30 ppm or less) which was the last bastion of any form of lubricity left in the fuel. Now with the advent of Ethyl Alcohol (Ethanol....which strips lubricity and absorbs moisture) the fuel system and related systems.....injectors, cylinder bores, stems and guides are open to corrosion, scoring, and premature wear.

Fuel alone can not stop the ensuing damage.

being that you seem to be pretty knowledgeable on the subject, what would be your recommendation and at what interval?

We are not a vendor on this forum and I do not know what the rules are here and don't want to break any, but one of my customers is a member here, and he asked me to come here and share some wisdom on the subject as he wants to help his fellow members not damage their cars either. I believe he has recommended what I would suggest earlier on this forum from BND.

Welcome Brian and thanks for inviting him over Eric.

brian, i was just reading (again) the info on CF, about your product. welcome

crazy933 wrote:

brian, i was just reading (again) the info on CF, about your product. welcome

Thank you for the warm welcome!

I would like to become a vendor here as well. Maybe be able to assist people here as we have at CF.

Brian

370 Hemi wrote:

crazy933 wrote:

brian, i was just reading (again) the info on CF, about your product. welcome

Thank you for the warm welcome!

I would like to become a vendor here as well. Maybe be able to assist people here as we have at CF.

Brian

excellent, lets get my car ready for spring, lol!

most gas stations have addatives in their gas already...
example invigorator in bp gas...shell has one also

aftermarket fuel additives are NOT needed in the gas that is produced today... they add a cleaner to their gas
10 yrs ago yes but not what they make now...
they were forced into producing a cleaner burning gas...
thus less junk in it to clog up the engines...and produce pollution..

so these so called addatives...are not needed for our rides... but they do need your $$$
to fill their company pockets!

Illinois Chaos wrote:

Shawn1112 wrote:

I remember reading something that said if you use 93octane, you dont need no fuel additive or cleaner.

That's because they put additives into the 93 octane fuel. It has the fuel system conditioners in it. Never need additives as long as you run 93 from Shell, Mobil, and BP.

This is the only fuel i run.... Shell 93 oct...Car loves it...

I already have enough Piss and Vinegar in mine

Dartboy wrote:

most gas stations have addatives in their gas already...
example invigorator in bp gas...shell has one also

aftermarket fuel additives are NOT needed in the gas that is produced today... they add a cleaner to their gas
10 yrs ago yes but not what they make now...
they were forced into producing a cleaner burning gas...
thus less junk in it to clog up the engines...and produce pollution..

so these so called addatives...are not needed for our rides... but they do need your $$$
to fill their company pockets!

While it is true that all refineries have to add detergents, anti-foam agents and de-icing agents to minimum specs,(doesn't mean good) just minimum, the cleaner gasoline that you speak about is very dry on all fuel system components including cylinderbores. It has nothing left for lubricity at all. Ask many auto repair facilities and they will tell you the amount of intank fuel pumps, injectors, and scored internal components due to the ultra-hydrotreated gasolines (and diesel fuel as well).

There is a mistrust on additives for good reason and that is because they are made from one or a combination of the following:

Petroleum Distillates......which we have already spoken about.....if it isn't good for gasoline, diesel fuel, or jet kerosene then it is distilled out. They bottle it up and you put it back in a place that wasn't good to begin with.

Polymers........think gummy bears here. Polymers are sticky, gummy, and abrasive. One example is Techron.....Polyetheramine. This is an additive that will do some cleaning of your injectors and fuel system and then proceed to mix the amino acids with the copper and vanadium in the fuel and put the gum and varnish right back on the injector tip thus needing more and more and more etc. Polymers are also very abrasive to fuel systems as well.

Alcohols ...... alkylnitrate, isopropyl, cetyl alcohols are compounds that absorb moisture (why they use it as a dry gas!!) and strip lubricity. Well, we already have a problem with lubricity in the fuel and you are going to add something that takes even more out? Not a good idea here.

Metals.......one of the favorite gasoline additives is Methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl (CH3C5H4)Mn(CO)3.

Metals do not burn but plate in a combustion chamber. These metals also end up as oxides and land in your lungs. This is the reason we got rid of tetra ethy and tetra methyl Lead. Chronic exposure to manganese has been known to cause manganism. The symptoms of manganism are similar to those of Parkinson's disease.

So the skepticism is not without some merit, but not every product is suspect and if proven continually by not only industry but our fellow members (those who know performance etc) then there is some merit in investigating that particular material.

Sometimes it isn't about the money.....although without any profit noone would make anything. Take care of the customer and give them what they want and they will come back for more and tell others as well!

Regards,

Brian

irishrt5.7 wrote:

Illinois Chaos wrote:

Shawn1112 wrote:

I remember reading something that said if you use 93octane, you dont need no fuel additive or cleaner.

That's because they put additives into the 93 octane fuel. It has the fuel system conditioners in it. Never need additives as long as you run 93 from Shell, Mobil, and BP.

This is the only fuel i run.... Shell 93 oct...Car loves it...

Me too. It's all in there.

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